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there is grief in the destruction and hope in the rebuilding that comes after, and that’s what matters in the end.

Grandmaster of Demonic Cultivation: Mo Dao Zu Shi (Novel) Vol. 1
Mò Xiāng Tóng Xiù
i was initially gonna break down the names of most of the main characters, but wangxian's post ended up being too long lol. i suggest looking at this on the app bc of the formatting (fingers crossed i didn't fuck anything up)
note: all translations are mine unless stated otherwise
first, their ship name. so the main thing about 忘羡 Wangxian is that their ship name immediately calls to mind lines like 只羡鸳鸯不羡仙 / envy only the lovers and not the immortals. another commonly quoted poem is Song dynasty poet 汤恢 Tang Hui's 《八声甘州·摘青梅荐酒》, specifically the line 羡青山有思,白鹤忘机 / I envy the contemplative still of the verdant mountains, and how they who have secluded themselves amid white cranes have forgotten the cunning schemes of the world. (I've bolded 羡 xian and 忘机 wangji.)
Wei Ying, Wei Wuxian 魏婴魏无羡
Yiling-laozu 夷陵老祖
Chenqing 陈情
Lan Zhan, Lan Wangji 蓝湛蓝忘机
Hanguang-jun 含光君
Bichen 避尘
edited to include links to my other name meta posts:

ruiconteur commented...
shen tao recently posted this thread on twt/x here regarding the cultural accuracy (or lack thereof) in this book (ty @pykora for the link!). i take issue with many things she mentioned in this thread, but it's late now so i'll just pick a few to tear apart.
in a reply to someone, she states that "I didn't want my story to lose magic for readers able to read in Chinese. Asian readers need our own fantasies too, not just our actual history+language recycled and repackaged." cool motive, but there are so many issues with these two sentences alone 🙃 you can't claim that you want to preserve the magic for sinophone readers while simultaneously (and badly) incorporating actual chinese characters into your story. you either commit to the real-world language you're using, or leave them out entirely and use your own conlang to preserve said magic.
secondly, we do already have our own fantasies, and it's frankly insulting to imply that your novel is a trendsetter or novel in any way in that area. asian-inspired fantasy is not a new genre in english-language novels by any means; hell, even chinese-inspired fantasy novels with weirdly blended or non-chinese names isn't unique at all. just look at the poppy war. beyond that, we do actually have our own fantasy genres here in asia, especially within sinophone circles. you can't go a single month without a new wuxia or xianxia drama airing, and that's been the case for years, so i have no idea what the fuck shen tao is on about. it's insulting for her to ignore the existence of these genres just because they're not popular in anglophone circles—and she definitely knows they exist because she mentions jin yong in her thread, who's considered by many to be the father of wuxia.
speaking of jin yong, i have major problems with her justification of her terrible blending of names. she claims that "Chinese names lose their (often descriptive or thematic) meanings when transcribed into Pinyin. That's why I’ve also chosen to translate some names when writing in English for an English audience—same choice translators of Jin Yong made." first of all, chinese names depend on both sound and meaning, and secondly, meaning is derived from long traditions of history, culture, and literature. you lose most of that meaning when you translate them, so don't give me that nonsense about wanting to preserve their meanings. you can tell a non-chinese speaker that 梅花 is plum blossom all you want, but they're not going to know about the cultural significance of plum blossoms the way a chinese speaker likely will.
secondly, many sinophone fans of jin yong do in fact take offence with the translations of names in his fiction. skyfury guo (郭啸天) sounds fucking ridiculous (i've usually likened it to toothless the night fury, if you need that comparison), and putting names like mercy mu (穆念慈) and charity bao (包惜弱) together just makes them sound very puritan. not exactly the kind of vibe you want for a novel set in 12th-century china, is it? also, she's just contradicted her entire point about "intentionally distanc[ing] [her] book from real Chinese history [by] giving some characters “English” names to clearly signal that this isn't China." jin yong's novels were explicitly set in very specific time periods within ancient china, so her justification of using english names because english translators of jin yong did so as well just undermines her previous point entirely.
she also states that "In any case, Mandarin and pinyin, based on a Beijing dialect, wasn’t standardized in China until the 1900s! Throughout most of history language was fragmented into vastly different regional dialects." they're still "fragmented into vastly different regional dialects," actually. chinese topolects didn't only exist in the past, and implying that they did slams headfirst into a very volatile situation. governments throughout asia have been enforcing restrictions and bans on these topolects, and these measures have been very effective, particularly within my own country. i myself am incapable of speaking any of my heritage topolects because of these restrictions (mandarin is not actually my heritage language, though it is today largely considered the common/unifying tongue of the han chinese people). she needs to be more careful with her choice of words here.
finally, i am deeply insulted by her claim that this is a "diaspora story," so all her weird blending of chinese/english/western elements is actually a-okay! i personally believe that a diaspora story requires its author to blend such elements much more thoughtfully. just tossing chinese and english names into a shaker and seeing what comes out strikes me as incredibly lazy. she's not doing anything interesting or meaningful with her "combining" of cultures here, not in terms of cultural traditions, tropes, or concepts, or even in aesthetics. and yes, i do agree that chinese aesthetics are beautiful in their own right, but again, you can't have the aesthetic without the culture. for example, the way hanfu is cut and styled says a lot about the ideals we hold dear in our culture; the looser drapes of late-ming dynasty robes is linked inextricably to daoist ideas of alignment, spontaneity, and 无为 / non-action. culture is exactly how you get divergences and differences in cultural aesthetics, and it's insane to me that shen tao still doesn't realise that.

the fake chinese characters on the cover should've been my first warning that this would not turn out well, but alas, i just really wanted to know how bad, exactly, a world "inspired by ancient china and classical chinese poetry" can be.
the answer is: absolutely terrible. the worldbuilding is probably the weakest part of the entire novel, which says a lot. shen tao refuses to describe any interesting bits of her secondary world, such as the animals made of plants or the ghosts that only appear 70% into the novel. it's also very obvious from the get-go that she has done absolutely no research on ancient china, instead relying on what paltry bits of knowledge she already has, however inaccurate they might be, to guide her. i know she said this novel is about as faithful to ancient china as game of thrones is to the war of the roses, but when you use hanzi and explicitly say that your magic system is inspired by classical chinese poetry, i expect that inspiration to go a little deeper than the incredibly surface-level "aesthetic" we get. and it's not even a good aesthetic too! there are so many little details that just pull me straight out of the supposedly chinese-inspired world. we'd be here all day if i listed them all, so i'm just going to name a few that really irritated me.
first of all, shen tao doesn't care at all about thoughtful naming. the names in this world were chosen based on a whim and a lack of care for what that might actually sound like to someone who actually speaks the language. there's really no clearer example than the two characters we're given for yin wei's given name: 尾 / tail (yes, it sounds just as ridiculous in chinese as it does in english. who names their kid that??) and 伟 / great. the meaning of the second character sounds nice, right? except that it's an incredibly masculine character. i've never heard of a girl named 伟, whereas it's one of the more popular characters for a boy's name.
to be clear, i think it's fine for a girl to have a masculine name. that's not the problem here. the problem is that shen tao has thus far not shown that she cares one whit for the deeper nuances to these names, which means there's nothing interesting being done about the genderfuckery here, and also that it's fucking ironic to push a masculine name onto a girl who's already been sidelined enough by the men in her life. the book is literally titled after her and yet her husband and brother-in-law are far more memorable and well-written than the soggy cardboard cut-out shen tao made of her.
some other gems for names include general cao myn (aka 草民 cao min / commoner), tsao (transliterated as cao in pinyin, which is effectively 操 / fuck), and the INSANE choice to name the emperor and his father muzha and jinzha respectively. yes, exactly like nezha's brothers, who are significant figures in chinese mythology and religion. you don't do that, not in our culture.
also, i am SICK and fucking TIRED of these authors just mixing and matching random east asian names together in their secondary world!! stop it!! yes, this is admittedly a higher standard than one i hold western authors to, but i am so sick of seeing chinese be treated as easily replaceable by japanese or korean and vice versa. the audience you're writing for might not care that you're randomly picking these names out of a box labelled "sounds vaguely east asian," but you know who's going to care? other east asians in the diaspora who've grown up with the world asking us "what's the difference? aren't you guys all the same?" i'm not even going to touch on the extremely complicated geopolitical tensions between these three countries, because i don't think i can keep myself from saying something truly impolite then.
on that note, the way she transliterates chinese/mandarin in this novel is absolutely unhinged. there's no rhyme or reason to it? she uses proper pinyin for a lot of words such as yin wei's name, but then switches to wades-giles for "tsao te shu" (and whoo boy, what a choice that was. someone didn't think about how that sounded in chinese!), and finishes it off with aunt lien and aunt ahma, which is another clusterfuck in its own right. i know you're writing this for non-chinese speakers, but you don't have to make it that obvious, you know.
secondly, shen tao has absolutely zero understanding of court or harem life. how are you gonna write a court intrigue/political novel when you don't even understand how court/harem politics work?? so many things in this novel just don't work the way she thinks it does. for example, at some point it's not going to matter how many times a concubine is called to her lord husband's chambers if he doesn't bestow on her any material gifts of his favour. in fact, that might even be more of an insult, since he's effectively saying that she's not worthy of the treasures a proper concubine should receive. she would've known this had she watched literally any c-drama in which a harem plays a large role. it doesn't even have to be an emperor's harem, since this would've applied to the aristocracy as well. also, there's no way a concubine could've have stayed in the crown prince's overnight lol. i've watched short-form dramas with better court intrigue than this, and that says a lot.
finally, her world cannot be considered chinese-inspired, not when there's no depth to it. i'm not seeing how the poems are inspired by classical chinese poetry; there are no oblique references to famous poems, nor does she use many of the central themes and motifs within them. only the length of the poems is somewhat similar, and that's hardly a point to be proud of. i just can't believe she wouldn't take advantage of the vast range of texts she has at her disposal, especially when so many of them could've made her magic system that much more interesting. i talked about this in a forum post already, but she could've had yin wei write reversible poems such as 苏蕙 su hui's 璇玑图 star gauge, or in 女书 nüshu / women's script, a script created by and passed down amongst the women of jiangyong in a time when it was forbidden for women to be educated. sound familiar? i was certainly expecting her to make reference to such instances, but apparently shen tao's conceptualisation of misogyny is so absolute that yin wei is the first women ever to learn to read and write. it's completely unbelievable.
anyway, in conclusion: don't say it's "inspired by ancient china" when you don't even know the first thing about ancient china. i'm not reading your novel for a western fantasy hidden under the thinnest veneer of a "chinese" aesthetic possible, i'm reading it for something that could actually pass for being culturally chinese. sadly, this didn't pass the test.
some more notes on the other elements of the novel, since this review is getting rather long: