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Hwang Bo-Reum
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it definitely offers some good insights, despite some of it feeling unrealistic. Worth a read and rumination, if only for its understanding on assumptions
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gosh i mean, where do you start. this was a fantastic read, and i really did enjoy it. even then, the parts that i didnāt enjoy were because they were too realistic ā iāve known phd students and our relationships ended poorly because of their single track mind on their phd. alice embodies that to an uncomfortably accurate extent⦠up until she doesnāt. and the plot and worldbuilding is so interesting to me that i stuck through that discomfort anyways. Aliceās mental health journey, the people she meets and the relationships she forms/deepens, the physical changing landscape of hell and how it manifests (an academicsā hell specifically!! come on!!!), all of it comes together to form one massively enjoyable read. I think the pacing is correct to whatās happening in the book ā i donāt think the reader needs to hear about every grain of sand alice passes at the end, especially since alice herself is certainly not paying attention to that. the ending was satisfying, leaving enough open-ended that you as the reader get to enjoy the what-ifs left over: what if alice and peter continue their phd? What if they donāt? What if they were happy?
If it sounds like iām glazing it a bit, itās probably because i am. But iāve really fallen in love with the book as it is, so i donāt even care if iām not being perfectly objective; isnt that the message anyways, to enjoy the things that make you feel alive?
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alright im back to thinking about the shape of hell and how it forms for others. i wonder if the academicsā hell only forms in this somewhat-expected way with the eight circles and the city of dis because it is what all the literature on hell reads. are these spaces formed by the expectations of the masses????
idk i started thinking about how some ancient native philosophies and metaphysics didnāt necessarily have punishing afterworlds and instead were just a part of the flow of life (ie., in ancient aztec thought, the afterlife you arrive in is based instead on the ways you died, like drowning, and after serving for a certain amount of years you reincarnate) ā is this an understanding that different types of the afterlife for different broad groups of people might exist differently?? Is this more specifically the vaguely-western-civilization-academic-hell???? ALSO is there a heaven in this understanding????
I have so many questions
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alright im back to thinking about the shape of hell and how it forms for others. i wonder if the academicsā hell only forms in this somewhat-expected way with the eight circles and the city of dis because it is what all the literature on hell reads. are these spaces formed by the expectations of the masses????
idk i started thinking about how some ancient native philosophies and metaphysics didnāt necessarily have punishing afterworlds and instead were just a part of the flow of life (ie., in ancient aztec thought, the afterlife you arrive in is based instead on the ways you died, like drowning, and after serving for a certain amount of years you reincarnate) ā is this an understanding that different types of the afterlife for different broad groups of people might exist differently?? Is this more specifically the vaguely-western-civilization-academic-hell???? ALSO is there a heaven in this understanding????
I have so many questions
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i canāt stop thinking about if hell looks the same for everyone in this iteration or if alice is seeing a specific type because sheās a PHD candidate and because she goes to cambridge. Does somebody who dropped out of high school and dies with a laundry list of actions that would land them in hell also have to write these dissertations? Or does the action of repentance look different for them?
Surely, a dissertation is probably the best action for hell (because i would rather die (again, hypothetically) than write a dissertation) but it all seems like a very elitist way of viewing the cosmos ā even here, those that can afford grad school are inherently (seemingly, at least, by the very virtue of having greater experience with it) at an advantage. Classism wonāt leave you alone, even in hell.
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i canāt stop thinking about if hell looks the same for everyone in this iteration or if alice is seeing a specific type because sheās a PHD candidate and because she goes to cambridge. Does somebody who dropped out of high school and dies with a laundry list of actions that would land them in hell also have to write these dissertations? Or does the action of repentance look different for them?
Surely, a dissertation is probably the best action for hell (because i would rather die (again, hypothetically) than write a dissertation) but it all seems like a very elitist way of viewing the cosmos ā even here, those that can afford grad school are inherently (seemingly, at least, by the very virtue of having greater experience with it) at an advantage. Classism wonāt leave you alone, even in hell.
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i canāt stop thinking about if hell looks the same for everyone in this iteration or if alice is seeing a specific type because sheās a PHD candidate and because she goes to cambridge. Does somebody who dropped out of high school and dies with a laundry list of actions that would land them in hell also have to write these dissertations? Or does the action of repentance look different for them?
Surely, a dissertation is probably the best action for hell (because i would rather die (again, hypothetically) than write a dissertation) but it all seems like a very elitist way of viewing the cosmos ā even here, those that can afford grad school are inherently (seemingly, at least, by the very virtue of having greater experience with it) at an advantage. Classism wonāt leave you alone, even in hell.
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incredibly understated reaction from elspeth honestly