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  • Babel
    ruiconteur
    Dec 24, 2025
    Babel
    Enjoyment: 0.5Quality: Characters: Plot:

    i’ve read two hundred and ten pages of this allegedly academic book and all i’ve come away with is the fact that i can’t stand rf kuang’s writing style. the author’s note in the beginning is completely unnecessary and feels like it’s no more than yet another way for her to flex the fact that she studied in oxford unlike the rest of us plebeians. ā€œthe trouble with writing an oxford novel is that anyone who has spent time at oxford will [nitpick] your textā€ yes, yes—is that not exactly what happens with any other real-world setting? you’ll have to forgive me for not understanding how ivory-towered oxford is any different.

    now for my review of the actual book, which will be done in bullet points because this book is not worth the time and effort a full-length review will require:

    • rfk can’t seem to decide whether she wants to use pinyin (with godsforsaken diacritics) or the actual characters themselves when she inserts chinese words into the narration. there’s seemingly no rhyme or reason to which she chooses to use at any point in time and i absolutely loathe it. if you want to switch between transliteration and using the actual characters, i beg you to come up with a coherent system for it.
    • robin speaks mandarin in 1820s guangzhou, which is the most absurd thing i’ve ever heard of in my life. unless you had to deal with the imperial court, most chinese people would simply speak their own local variety. indeed, most chinese people today speak their own regional variety, be it of mandarin or their topolect. watch literally any variety show, particularly if you speak a southern topolect, and you will notice that even the form of mandarin most celebrities (being northerners) speak differs from standard mandarin. rfk inserts a footnote two chapters later to explain that it’s because robin’s family migrated from beijing recently, which would be a logical explanation for why robin speaks mandarin in his own home, but then claims cantonese is robin’s ā€œpreferred native tongueā€? and yet he seems to instinctively revert to mandarin? make it make sense.
    • the fact that pinyin is used in a book about languages and translation set in the 1820s KILLS me. the 1820s predates even wades-giles, which—no matter how much i hate the sight of it—would at least in turn predate pinyin, which was only created/formalised in the 1950s. that’s more than a century later. rfk would’ve been much better served doing less research on oxford for historical accuracy and more on the languages her protagonist speaks, i think. also, there’s that glaring (but unfortunately lost) opportunity to make some meta-commentary on the colonisation of language and translation (very relevant for this book, i believe!) in using wades-giles (a transliteration system created by white men) instead of pinyin (which was created by chinese people).
    • speaking of historical accuracy and oxford, there are a bunch of things rfk openly admits to changing—not for any narrative purpose, no, but simply to parallel her characters’ experience to her own. for instance, despite ā€œoysters being a staple of the early-victorian poorā€, rfk ā€œchoose[s] to make them a delicacyā€ because ā€œheaps and heaps of oysters on iceā€ was her ā€œfirst impression of the 2019 may ball at magdalene college, cambridgeā€ (which, i think she could’ve made a really good colonialism point re: the gentrification of the palate). anyway, the fact that this paragraph is then followed up with the sentence ā€œif you find any other inconsistencies, feel free to remind yourself this is a work of fictionā€ā€”which, in fact, suffices to sum up her entire two-page author’s note—makes this justification completely fucking insufferable. either own your inaccuracies or cut them. quit dithering.
    • rfk mistypes 焔形 / incorporeal as äŗ”č”Œ / the five phases, despite 焔形 being used correctly in the previous sentence. in the same page, she proceeds to translate ā€œhelp meā€ as 幫忙 / help, which is such a clunky and awkward translation from a professional chinese-english translator that i am embarrassed on her behalf. i would’ve translated ā€œhelp meā€ as å¹«ęˆ‘ or åŠ©ęˆ‘ (a more formal alternative which i think fits better in this context).
    • the politics really are just twittercore but couched in a vaguely victorian-sounding register. i say ā€œvaguelyā€ because it really isn’t all that victorian. it just sounds like a slightly formal modern register. and apparently this problem is consistent with her other books, particularly yellowface, though it would at least make more sense for her to be responding to a very online form of criticism there.
    • the fact that she uses a long-running stem/arts joke as an explanation for why babel hasn’t noticed the hermes society stealing their silver is just astoundingly beyond any capacity for suspension of disbelief i have. ā€œfor the virtue of a humanities faculty … was that everyone was hopeless with numbersā€ are you joking. is this a joke to you. you cannot possibly expect me to take this seriously.
    • everything they’ve said and been taught about translation so far has been incredibly basic, and i’m only an amateur translator. i’d be embarrassed on oxford’s behalf if they truly taught this to third-year undergraduates.
    • chattel slavery is a ā€œwholly european inventionā€ now :)
    • despite this being an adult novel and therefore requiring some level of sophistication and maturity on the reader’s part, rfk can’t seem to resist the urge to shove her opinions—all entirely correct, of course—in the reader’s face. it’s pretty humiliating to read a book whose author seems to believe that the reader can’t go two sentences without being reminded that ā€œracism badā€ in the footnotes. of course it is, but i’d like to believe that it’s also possible to write a novel critiquing racism, elitism, and colonialism in academia without such hamfisted arguments.

    anyway, i do think this novel does something good for the dark academia genre, in that it critiques the elitism inherent to academia, and it does have some good points about translation and colonialism and the like, but i think more subtlety and elegance would’ve served it better—and also better editing and proof-reading, because it’s genuinely embarrassing for your protagonist to make such errors in his native language(s).

    āœ§ā”€ā”€ā”€ d ļ½”ļ¾Ÿā˜…: .✦ . :ā˜…. ā”€ā”€ā”€āœ§

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    why is he speaking mandarin in canton...

    edit: they’re also using pinyin despite it not having been created until the 1950s? correct me if i’m wrong but the transliteration systems in use until the mid-19th century were based on nanjingese? so even if they did have a reason to speak mandarin it wouldn’t have been romanised this way

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  • Between Two Fires
    ceruleanhail
    Aug 07, 2026
    Between Two Fires
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    Enjoyment: 3.5Quality: 3.0Characters: 3.0Plot: 3.5
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    This book makes me appreciate PageBound forum, for the setting and religion knowledge of this book is something I'm largely unfamiliar with, so reading thoughts, analyses and "hey! this scene references smth smth!" threads helped tremendously especially in scenes that felt weighted. šŸ™

    Nevertheless, this book has been a Ride. I have a soft spot for finding hope in Crapsack World plot, and I love the horror in this. I have some mixed feelings on some of the plot points/choices (but that's mostly personal nitpick). All in all, I enjoyed it enough to breeze through the pages. 😌

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