yourartistfriend commented on a post from the Pagebound Club forum
Hi everyone, I wanted to respond to the big discussion around the new user experience in the forums and forum/list etiquette. First of all, I can speak for everyone in the PB community when I say we’re all so excited to have new readers here; the more lively Pagebound is, the more fun it is to be here. Pagebound is different from most social media sites; we’re focused on discussion and creating meaningful dialogue (leading to meaningful connections) which also means we operate a little differently than what you’re likely used to. Since the app’s launch we’ve had thousands of new users and Lucy and I are quickly realizing we have a lot of work to do to make new users feel welcome and provide the tools they need to interact on the site, while preserving the thoughtful and warm community that’s been fostered here.
Here’s our plan: Our Top Contributors are already working on an “etiquette” guide; Lucy and I will work with them to get this finalized and will pin it to the top of Pagebound Club. Lucy and I will work on the FAQ to make it more detailed and robust; we will also revisit the Posting Guide and see if we need to make tweaks there. We recently launched the “PageboundBot” which is an anonymous moderator account run by humans. PageboundBot may archive and leave a comment on your list or post if it doesn’t follow the guidelines set in the Posting Guide. This is intended to be purely a gentle reminder moment and not a slap on the wrist. Archiving ensures our forums remain high quality and relevant.
For those totally new here, here’s some context that might guide your posting: When you post in a book forum, your post lives there forever for future readers. It is also sent to the feeds of everyone with that book in their library. Our vision for book forums is a place to discuss books as you’re reading them, so you can see what others thought at the same place as you. We value discussion over memes and low effort “throwaway” posts (that does not mean we don’t value humor; I’ve genuinely laughed my ass off at some of your posts and memes, we love our comedians). It’s a tricky balance between fun and substance, but we find most of our users strike it well.
In the meantime while we work on the action items above, here are some quick and dirty guidelines. Historically, we’ve been lax with guidelines since we wanted to simply provide the tools for connection/discussion and see how the community used them. We’ve clearly outgrown that, so apologies if this list is still too vague, but this is truthfully the guidelines we have in place as of right now and we will work on getting them more formalized and less vague.
We are a site to talk about books, so your posts should be book related. Occasionally you will see a non-book related post, but since that doesn’t happen often, we let it slide (if this gets abused, we will be more strict about it). We do not want to become Fable or Tome where you see a mix of Instagram/personal blog type content alongside book content; if that’s what you’re looking for, the other book socials will be a better fit for you.
Forums are for timeless discussion. Good things to think about: Does this post spark discussion? Will someone else stumbling on this who doesn’t know me be interested? Personal updates do not belong in the book forum (posts like: “Read on the train today”, “Listening to the audiobook” etc). You can do this by commenting on your activity update in your feed. A no-context reaction post (like an emoji, or “WOW!“) will get archived; we definitely want you to post reactions, but without context its impossible to know what you’re reacting to (imagine you read a book 3 months ago and you see Thoughts from page 288: “WOW” - you’d have no idea what they’re talking about).
In general it is good practice to check the forums before posting. This applies to both Book forums, Quest forums, and the Pagebound Club. Repetitive posts compromise the quality of the forums and become a moderation headache (both in volume and in the dilemma of not wanting to punish someone for posting, but also wanting to preserve forum quality). In the book forum, you’re welcome to post a “repeat” if you have a different take than an existing post; but you also may want to consider jumping in on existing discussions.
Regarding Pagebound Club: we will revamp the club so its less overwhelming (example: having a separate place for book recommendations and PB-specific product questions) but in general, PB club posts should not be about a specific book or series. Those posts belong in the book forums. It’s worthwhile to scroll a bit or use the searchbar to see if your post is a repeat. Keep in mind: EVERY user on Pagebound will see your post. Ask yourself: is this something I want to blast to tens of thousands of people? Your post might be better in a Quest forum (example: looking for scifi recs - check out a scifi quest forum). PB club ideally is not a customer service platform; if you have a very specific question, see a bug, or need help with your account, submit a form or email Lucy and I directly at team@pagebound.co.
Lists: Lists are intended for the community; they are our way of providing human recommendations and helping you discover new reads that aren’t driven by an algorithm. If a list is mainly for yourself (“My Fall TBR”, “My Favorite books”) it should be a shelf instead. The best lists are specific and unique; “Good Thrillers” vs “Horror featuring Southern Gothic Mansions”. While making lists for series and authors is not explicitly “wrong”, it also doesn’t provide much value (series lists could be useful since we don’t have series data right now, but we often see repeats of these; we don't need 10 zodiac academy lists for example).
FIN
I hope this was more helpful than overwhelming; like I said, we’ll work on distilling this into a digestible and easy to reference format! And final note: many users who have been around for a while may comment on a post (especially in PB club) directing you to an existing post; this is not a slap on the wrist, but rather a part of the culture here as often other posts have more context, or Lucy and I have responded in depth to a platform question somewhere else.
Feel free to leave your thoughts below, and I'm especially curious to hear from new users what sort of guidance would be helpful as you learn your way around!
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yourartistfriend commented on EatTheRich's review of Camouflage: The Hidden Lives of Autistic Women
I should have read reviews for this before I bought it....worst parts:
Very short and understandably surface level, but it seemed almost afraid to say anything other than "Autistic women are quiet and autistic men are loud" which is untrue and a vast simplification on how gender norms/socialisation condition autistic women to keep their issues to themselves and never act out until they physically cannot hold it in anymore.
yourartistfriend commented on crybabybea's review of Hillbilly Elegy: A Memoir of a Family and Culture in Crisis
Fuck this guy. I don't understand why this book is touted as a "compassionate" view of rural white America. I found it poorly researched, hypocritical, and borderline offensive. He frequently gives an opinion by starting with "studies show..." then doesn't cite the study or show any evidence.
I initially wanted to give this book at least one star because I thought the memoir part of it was enjoyable enough, but by the end of the book, with the weirdly disparaging/bootstraps messaging, the stories told about his family and fellow Appalachian people left a bad taste in my mouth.
I felt the memoir lacked a sense of self-reflection and cohesion; in fact I found the author to walk back his opinions in weird ways, and it almost came across as having some sort of internalized hatred for himself/the people he grew up around. Then, the second half is spent talking about his time in the military with not much substance or connection to the main thesis of the memoir.
As much as he wants to write this book from the perspective of a poor, hard-working country boy, he is in fact a Yale graduate and a member of the elite class. I seriously hate this book so much I feel like it would be a lie to give it anything other than .25. I still love Mamaw though.
My biggest issue with this book is the touting of bootstraps meritocracy and the author's criticism of the poor working class. He says multiple times that he doesn't believe in systemic issues, but instead thinks that poor people are lazy and pessimistic. And yes, he even makes the "you're poor cause you spend your money on TVs and iPads LOL!!!!" argument. But somehow I'm supposed to believe that he wrote this book as a eulogy out of compassion and love for his culture, people, and family. Mmkay.
I don't feel like putting my thoughts into a cohesive review format so here's a list of weird things the author said that pissed me off: Opens up the book with a short-sighted disclaimer that "even though Black people struggle in America, actually white people suffer too and people need to stop viewing things through a racial lens". He also completely denies the history of the term "welfare queen" being used as an insult against poor Black mothers and instead says "every welfare queen I've known has been white" as if that changes the way it has been used to systemically punish and insult Black women?
He continues to purposefully ignore race as a factor and fails to acknowledge his privilege, instead claiming that poor people of any race should be able to pull themselves out through hard work and better choices
Says that addiction is in fact a disease, but then says that it's harmful to believe addiction is a disease because then addicts feel like they have an excuse to never change and never get help.
The second half of the book (coincidentally when the author goes off to the military) devolves into blind patriotism and the author constantly repeats that Americans live in the greatest country in the world and have more opportunities than any other country. But he spends the first half of the book talking about systemic issues (without acknowledging that the issues are systemic) that make America the bad place? And says that the government and corporations are not to blame, but instead people's individual choices? Like the math is not mathing. It's like he got so close to the point so many times and then the cognitive dissonance blinders settled in and he was like "huh, must be I'm just better and more hard-working than everyone else". And yes, I do think it's cringe to cry at "God Bless America", sorry
Says multiple times that he doesn't think therapy is worthwhile despite acknowledging that he has a high ACES score. I don't think therapy is a perfect end-all-be-all solution, but, with peace and love, this book really shows his lack of self-reflection and healing.
Conservatives never hated Obama because of his race, but because he is a member of the elite class because he is rich. Listen. You can do a super simple google search for "obama racism" and see the incredibly racist imagery and slogans that were popularly used against him at the time.
Randomly inserts an anecdote about some guy he met in college who spoke out against the Iraq war for being unnecessarily violent and racist. He says this guy has an "objectively bad opinion" because actually the soldiers had to take culture trainings to learn how to not show their feet to the Iraqi people that worked on the American side. No no, no war crimes or dehumanization or racism to be seen here. No, don't google Abu Ghraib
In the beginning of the book, talks about how poor people are stupid because they rely on payday loans that ruin their credit and keep them in debt. Then later he talks about how payday loans are good, actually, and not predatory at all, and stinky politicians should stop trying to help poor working class people by taking away the few resources they have. Okay.
Talks about how politicians think they are helping poor people but are so far removed from being poor that they end up making decisions that hurt the people they are trying to help. Btw, this guy is a senator and regularly votes against bills that would significantly help the working class and by 2020 he was fully in support of Donald Trump.
Poor people waste money on expensive Christmas gifts instead of trying to grow their wealth because they want to pretend to be rich and ignore the reality of their lives
No seriously fuck this guy.
yourartistfriend wants to read...
The Palestine Laboratory: How Israel Exports the Technology of Occupation Around the World
Antony Loewenstein
yourartistfriend commented on crybabybea's update
crybabybea started reading...
Gaza in Crisis: Reflections on Israel's War Against the Palestinians
Noam Chomsky
yourartistfriend commented on a post from the Pagebound Club forum
I have been here since yesterday so I think I should introduce myself, idk if I’m supposed to do that but I’m gonna do it anyway. So hi everyone, I’m very excited to be here and I wish I discovered it earlier. I am a reader through and through, have been reading for as long as I remember. My favorite genre is fantasy but I try to read a bit of everything. It’s complicated to pick my favorite books but I’d say my 5 stars fantasy books are the licanius trilogy and my brother is threatening me to say eragon
yourartistfriend commented on a post
This year has been really tough in my personal life (although Pagebound has been a joy amidst the bs) and one of the things I've had to grapple with is my relationship to anger. As women, we're socialized to be understating, empathetic, and forgiving, often to our own detriment. Instead of feeling angry, many of us (myself very much included) tend to feel hurt or sad. I've found so much inspiration from women in literature who embrace their anger and act on it, even if it's in "unhinged" ways.
My therapist asked me to read "The Dance of Anger: A Woman's Guide to Changing the Patterns of Intimate Relationships" and I HIGHLY recommend to anyone looking to tap into their anger and use it in healthy ways. Anger is such an important emotion to be in tune with; it lets us know when our boundaries have been crossed and when we're being treated unfairly.
This quest means so much to me and really feels like a personal quest as well; I hope others find just as much inspiration from these books as I have.
yourartistfriend commented on a post from the Founder Announcements forum
I am over the moon to share that the app is officially live on both iOS and Android!!
We've quite literally poured our blood, sweat and (lots of) tears into the app development over the past 9 months and we could not be more thrilled for everyone to experience it!
We're still being indexed in app store search so you may have to scroll to find us, or type in Pagebound: Social Book Tracker. Here's links to iOS and Android: https://apps.apple.com/us/app/pagebound-social-book-tracker/id6751526412 https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=co.pagebound.app
There are quite a few improvements and new features in the app, including:
This is the first release, so there will be many more additions and improvements to come. (PS for Android users: we're aware of two bugs related to library imports from Goodreads/Storygraph, and issues with editing read dates - these have already been resolved and are pending Google approval for release.)
We owe a huge thank you to our beta testers who worked diligently over the last month to report hundreds of bugs and help us get the app prepared for release. A huge round of applause to them.
We hope you love the app as much as we do; it definitely makes engaging on PB so much more convenient and fun. If you have a great experience with the app, we'd love if you'd consider supporting us through Pagebound Royalty; Lucy and I have worked for $0 over the past year to bring the app and website to fruition, and have been covering business costs with our savings accounts. Your contribution means we can continue to work full-time on Pagebound without influence from investors or advertisers, and keep Pagebound 100% for readers by readers. Thank you so much to all the Royalty who have already contributed; it truly means the world to us and keeps Pagebound online!
ok now go download the app and tell us what you think!
Happy Reading, Jennifer & Lucy
PS - leaving us a review in app stores also helps tremendously :)
yourartistfriend commented on a post from the Pagebound Club forum
Does anyone have recommendations on world history books (particularly interested in the 1900s)? Almost like an AP history book where it’s general and in chronological order?
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yourartistfriend commented on a post from the Pagebound Club forum
I think I've realized that I have a bias against authors who have written a lot of books. In the title I said 100+, but even at 50+ I start to get a little sideye/skeptical about it, because I feel like how is it possible to write THAT many books and have them all be high quality? I'm specifically talking about authors who write full length novels for adults, because I think with short stories or children's books that's much more reasonable to publish loads.
Anyone else??
yourartistfriend commented on lizzyy's update
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yourartistfriend completed their yearly reading goal of 12 books!
yourartistfriend finished a book
Art Magick: How to become an art witch and unlock your creative power
Molly Roberts
yourartistfriend completed their yearly reading goal of 12 books!
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The projects in this book are mindblowing. The altar box she made just made me stop and stare at the photo for, like, 10 minutes. The dream incubator eggs are such a good idea, I am definitely going to try it out at some point. Her "Charming charm beads" are also so smart and I like how they contain layers and layers of power and meaning.
I'm in love 😍 And the best part, she makes all of this using cheap and affordable materials that anybody can get. What a freaking star.
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yourartistfriend commented on a post from the Pagebound Club forum
I just brought this up to a fellow book reader and she hadn’t thought about it before so I thought I’d make a discussion post about it to get everyone’s thoughts!
I’m reading a book right now that is giving me the vibes that AI was used during the writing process, I could be wrong (I see a lot of AI usage at my job to assist writing so that’s why I tend to notice) and I really struggle with authors using AI.
I feel that this turns their writing into not their own and the way that it makes the writing feel more robotic. Has anyone else noticed this? i’ve seen a lot of talk of authors using AI for their covers, but I haven’t seen a lot of talk about AI assistance with writing.