teddydee commented on shaddie's review of Bad Gays: A Homosexual History
around the 50% mark i started to wonder: if these are the Bad Gays, who are the Good Gays?
i feel as if the introduction and conclusion of this book was ripped and pasted in its entirety from a better, more interesting book. (nonetheless i do think the writers thought they were writing that book, and the occasional glimmers of that book are why this is a 2 star and not a 1 star review.) the introduction makes some interesting promises: pitting oscar wilde, the legendary pioneer, against his selfish miscreant lover who ruined his life, and arguing that both of these figures should be accepted as important parts of queer history. if this is the framing we’ve chosen then it’s clear: wilde is the Good Gay, and bosie is the Bad Gay. (never mind that wilde engaged in plenty of activities, like sex tourism, that the writers condemn in other chapters: it works well enough as an idea)
but aside from a couple of moments and well-chosen profiles (i particularly liked the chapter on j. edgar hoover and roy cohn), the writers are far more interested in paying lip service to this idea than actually excavating and assessing the legacies of problematic queer figures. instead they choose to retread histories that are already celebrated - james i and vi, frederick the great, t.e. lawrence - and attempt to examine their legacies and their contributions to the capitalist and imperialist constructions of power. one has to wonder why oscar wilde doesn’t make an independent appearance given his own legacy is much murkier than the introduction suggests. so, okay, the Bad Gays can sometimes overlap with the Good Gays. that’s fine. that makes sense. i guess “Powerful (often White, often Wealthy, often Male) Gays Who Exploited Others In Their Own Identity Formation” doesn’t make for as snappy of a title.
except no, that also doesn’t seem to be what the book is trying to say because we move at around the 50% mark from discussing bad people who happened to be gay and into discussing Bad Gays as a complete proper noun: gays who are bad, in large part, because they affected other gays, or because their identity was tied up in the exploitation and harm of others, or because they used their identity to legitimise their hatred. essentially their badness is inherently connected with their gayness. but then if that’s the case, why spend so much time on satirists and pornographers? why devote a chapter to ronnie kray, a man who had very little impact on wider culture in comparison to some of the other people being discussed? that’s not to mention the extremely tenuous links this book creates, jumping from idea to idea without much analysis or evaluation. (one line that stood out to me: ““Blind to the meaning of the enormous economic and racial privilege of her upbringing”, hardly developed, left to just sit there in a wider paragraph and as a moral condemnation. like oh okay. cool. do we have a source for that?)
but okay. so we’re talking about gays whose identity is founded on a basis of exploitation. sure, fair enough. i guess it makes sense why our profiles are so limited to white male figures. but then why throw in additional chapters on margaret mead and yukio mishima? why spend a chunk of this book largely about western capitalism and imperialism explaining the history of homosexuality in japan (in a hugely reductive way which serves to re-print the mythology that the writers love to condemn, that the “third world” was totally cool and fine with gays until the nasty westerners took over).
that’s not even getting into how shoddily written it is. (i almost rage-quit the book at this line: “It was that November, during the revolt, that Lawrence experienced one of his only confirmable sexual experiences […] It is difficult to make sense of the truth of this encounter” is it confirmable or not? why are we contradicting ourselves on the exact same page? as someone who is pretty familiar with t.e. lawrence i’m reasonably sure the writers meant to say that he experienced one of the only sexual experiences the celibate and potentially asexual lawrence would admit to, but if i didn’t know anything about him i’d be baffled! this doesn’t make sense! who edited this!)
it’s also not getting into how poorly researched it is. most chapters have about the depth you could get from wikipedia (and i would know, because i matched a lot of the information in the book to things i already knew. from wikipedia.) other people on this app have noted disparities in the research that are incredibly easy to notice if you’re familiar with the periods or figures being written about. many sources with questionable authorship and authority are used uncritically. (while the book regularly notes that anthropologists like margaret mead and researchers like roger casement used questionable sources to make sweeping judgements, it’s hard to take that seriously when the sources being used here are just as questionable and presented without comment.)
one of the most egregious failures to me is the chapter on yukio mishima, where the writers quote from his 1949 novel confessions of a mask to describe mishima’s early sexual awakenings. confessions contains undeniably autobiographical information, but it is still a novel: and even if you want to accept its details as fact, it feels like a wild misstep to include it in a non-fiction book without stating that these sources come from a fictionalised novel. later in the chapter, the writers make the curious choice of focusing on forbidden colors and, in more depth (including quoting from it), kyoko’s house. both of these are pretty minor works and the latter was never published in english: the quotes from the novel and the descriptions of its plot come from the biography by john nathan. given that you can find (the very homoerotic) the sailor who fell from grace in a lovely vintage classics collectors edition at most waterstones, the choice to use kyoko’s house feels a bit strange until you realise that the writers of this book have, most likely, not read any of mishima’s oeuvre other than confessions, and are working off of third hand information from one singular source. (it’s also one of the three novels that are adapted into paul schrader’s 1985 film mishima: a life in four chapters. coincidence? doubtful! of course, schrader commissioned his own translation of kyoko’s house in order to adapt it, which shows much more artistic and journalistic integrity than this chapter does.) and then this line:
The potency of his prose surely emerges from the fact that these are Mishima’s words ventriloquized.
first of all, you aren’t reading his prose. you’re reading a translation by a biographer. second of all….no? if you’re going to make the incredibly reductive claim that an author’s work consists entirely of their own words and ideas through fictional mouthpieces, you need to source that! once again going back to the writers jumping from idea to idea, making sweeping judgements and conclusions that don’t actually seem to be backed up in anything.
all of this may seem like nitpicking but really, i’m just showing the most egregious failures i noticed from the chapter i had the most prior information about. if i knew more primary information about the other figures in this book im sure i could make just as nitpicky notes on all the other chapters. unquestionably, i think if a nonfiction book falls apart the second you have more information than a wikipedia page, it has likely failed in its approach. and what an approach it is.
so again, the same question: if there are Bad Gays, surely there must be Good Gays? so who are they?
and really i can only conclude that the Good Gays are supposed to be us. the reader: or at least the book’s assumed and intended reader, which is to say white, educated, male, gay, out. (the jokes aimed directly at the reader made that pretty clear: one that stood out to me was “whose worship of masculine vitality might remind you of some Grindr profiles you’ve seen – maybe your own”, a line written about none other than nazi politician ernst röhm. sidenote: is this where james somerton got his half-remembered anecdotes about nazi fitness culture?) in order to cast judgement on a figure as a Bad Gay one must assume that the reader and writer are expected to be Good Gays: modern, liberal, flirts with leftist theory without much regard for praxis. happy to drop names like marsha p. johnson and james baldwin into conversation but with very little desire to take their ideas further. we’re too contemporary and too aware of right and wrong to have any alignment with these Bad Gays, outside of snide jokes about their sexual proclivities. (my dear friend SmallDesires posited that this might be a holdover from the book’s beginning as a podcast: likely true! i didn’t think it worked!)
it’s an insufferable and arrogant kind of approach that in my opinion can also be exceptionally harmful. we, the Good Gays, don’t have the same racist and colonial biases or the same fetishes for what we view as subaltern. we, the Good Gays, understand our identity and are flexible in its application. (other reviewers have noted this book’s propensity for bisexual and asexual erasure: a real Bad Gay bias seeping through.) we, the Good Gays, are happy to resist homophobia through solidarity. (i got a bit of a laugh when the writers state, re: the assassination of pim fortuyn, that “nonviolent activism might have” “effectively [combat] his politics”, in a book that pays lip service to civil activists, like james baldwin and audre lorde, who did not advocate for the effectiveness of nonviolent activism! truly a book by and for white men.) we, the Good Gays, criticise our heroes.
and really i became incredibly and irrevocably irritated with this book at the line:
This is rhetoric that should be familiar to anyone who has engaged with the mainstream respectability politics of gay rights movements. While a more developed analysis of sexuality (like the one we are proposing in this book) reveals otherwise, this line has always been popular for several reasons.
the utter gall of claiming your work is a “more developed analysis of sexuality” while continuing to uphold your own version of respectability and identity politics! the arrogance of stating your work is “more developed” while you retell wikipedia articles in clunky, confusing, often entirely contradictory prose. the idea that half-formed profiles with downright bad sources make up much of anything: this hardly works as an entertaining bit of pop history, much less an “analysis of sexuality”. not even touching on the fact that nothing proposed in the book is really radical or new, and instead feels half-baked, a misremembered definition of intersectionality repackaged for white gay men.
idk, maybe next time just stick with hosting your podcast?
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“I debated about what sort of excretion I’d be: fat (of course), dark brown like my own thoughts, not too stinky but just a little, the sort that fought the flush over and over before finally giving in and drowning. Floating back up like a bobbing cork after every rainstorm, staring at me and saying: Don’t shoo me away, I’m yours, I’m part of you. I’m your personal rot that’s gone through your body, that’s followed the path of your guts, that’s sucked up all your poison so you can go on living.”
Gag!
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Post from the The Waste Makers forum
Currently reading about how advertisers embraced teenagers as an untapped market with deep pockets, little impulse control, and an easy susceptibility to manipulation. In particular, the tobacco industry:
"One group of marketers making great gains with teen-agers was the cigarette makers. Fortune magazine, commenting on the way the cigarette industry had managed to bounce back from its slump following the cancer scare as it related to cigarette smoking, observed: 'In part this [bounce back] is due to population gains, particularly in the big increase in the number of teen-agers, who appear to be smoking more furiously than ever before.'" 🙃
Keeping in mind this was published in 1960, I wanted to refresh my memory on the tobacco industry coverup timeline. I found this chronology from PBS, which situates The Waste Makers about halfway between the Tobacco Industry Research Committee's nationwide newspaper ad extolling the safety of cigarettes in 1954 and the first US surgeon general's warning re: health risks of smoking in 1964.
teddydee commented on a post from the Pagebound Club forum
I’m currently working on reading more children’s/YA books because I have nieces and nephews that I want to be able to safely recommend books to (I have learned I have a big pet peeve about people asking if books are suitable for their kids - just read the book yourself to see if it’s suitable? It’s your child damn it) and obviously I want to give ratings to encourage others to read them too, but there’s obviously a vast difference between the complexity of the books aimed at young adults/mature audiences and children’s books that means while I might not be as wowed by the writing of the book, it’s still a great story etc, or for those nostalgic reads it’s got a warm place in my heart but wouldn’t fit in my current rating scale.
So I’m curious now, how do other people rate the books they read that they know a younger audience or a different audience would love? Do you base it on your own experience or do you rate it for the perspective of the intent - ie. recommending the book to its intended audience
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The Sun Collective
Charles Baxter
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The Sun Collective
Charles Baxter
teddydee commented on a post from the Pagebound Club forum
there's a thrift store near me that runs only on donations and they have an insanely huge book selection. plus, all proceeds go to support local veterans! today i had some time to kill before a dentist appointment and decided to go.
all books were .50c. i picked up • Caraval • Where'd You Go, Bernadette? • The Girl With The Dragon Tattoo • The Girl Who Played with Fire • The Girl Who Kicked The Hornet's Nest • The Fault in Our Stars • Six Crimson Cranes
... for $3.50. i was shocked! that's less than one brand new book! all of the books were in incredible condition too; TFIOS and Six Crimson Cranes were missing dust jackets but i like the look of them. the paperbacks looked brand new too with no cracked spines or tears or anything. i will be working near this store this summer so i think i might have to make weekly trips...
anyone else have any book buying wins for this week? 💗
teddydee commented on a post from the Pagebound Club forum
"If you only read the books that everyone else is reading, you can only think what everyone else is thinking." — Norwegian Wood, Haruki Murakami I've been thinking about this quote lately, and I'm curious how others feel about it. Do you think there's truth to the idea that reading mostly popular, widely discussed books can limit the range of perspectives we encounter? Or do you think great books are great books regardless of how many people are reading them? When it comes to your own reading habits, how much variety do you seek out? Do you make a conscious effort to read outside your comfort zone; different genres, countries, time periods, literary traditions, or lesser-known authors, or do you tend to gravitate toward the books everyone is talking about? I'd also be interested to hear whether you've ever felt your reading life become too narrow, and if so, what helped you break out of that. Conversely, have you found that reading popular books enriched your experience because they gave you a shared cultural conversation to participate in? In short: what are your thoughts and feelings on reading what everyone else is reading, and how important is variety in your reading life?
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I've seen this a few times and I'm not sure why this happens, but sometimes a book will be added as a "community rec" on its own book page (ex. if you look at the Half a Soul book page, Half a Soul is listed as a community rec). This isn't particularly useful, as I assume if you're looking at that section of the book's page, you're already aware of that book, and it clogs up the recs list. Is it possible to make it so you can't add a book to its own recs section? I know the community moderation helps in downvoting bad recs like these, so not super high priority obviously, just something strange I've noticed since conceptually it seems like it shouldn't be possible to do at all.
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Hello, I've been wanting to read about ticks and wondered if this might be a good place to get recommendations! I fucking hate ticks, it feels like we are constantly under attack out here by sneaky bugs trying to give us debilitating diseases. This year I'm pulling multiple ticks off all of us every day and I really resent them. I know that resenting a bug for doing bug things is very human-centric and it isn't really how I prefer to look at things overall — so I thought maybe reading a book about ticks could help me get some perspective 😅
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Happy June and everything it means to all my galactic brethren! I am on a quest to follow as many alien pfps as I can because I think aliens are rad. If you comment and have an alien pfp (profile pic) I will follow you. 🛸
To my fellow aliens 👽✨
1 - why did you pick the alien pfp? 2 - what do aliens mean to you? Do you have any special memories or cool dreams of aliens? Have they always captured your imagination? Do you think we're #NotAlone? 3 - got any book recs involving aliens? Or even ... gayliens? Share amongst the Hive please 👽🙏 4 - if pb ever did like, reading challenges that pitted pfp teams against each other, what other pfp do you think would be the most worthwhile opponent and why? 5 - who's your favorite alien character in literature?
This is a silly goofy post so feel free to be silly & goofy below 🤪
teddydee commented on a post from the Pagebound Club forum
Wondering if others have had this experience—
In the past few days, I've gotten a couple of quick new follows from users. Yay, love more friends! But it'll be 3 to 4 in a row, notifications of "XXX is now following you." When I go to look at their pages, all the "my taste" books are identical, and the "reading" books are also identical. Do people have more than one profile? If so, is there a reason behind it? This has been happening every few days or so.
I can't for the life of me figure it out, or if it's a really strange coincidence, but wanted to see if anyone else had noticed this!
teddydee commented on a post from the Pagebound Club forum
Hey Boundlings! Sorry for another Pride post but I hope this is a little different request. It's sometimes hard to get the keywords just right when searching for lists. So! I want to see all your favorite LGBTQ+ lists! You can shamelessly put your own out there or rec someone else's.
I'm mainly looking for unique themes and less masterlists. Hit me with all those fantastic lists!
Side Note/Question: Where do y'all get your indie ebooks? I have always used Amazon but would like to move away from them if I can.
teddydee commented on a post from the Pagebound Club forum
So obviously we all know certain authors/creators like to hide references/easter eggs in their works.. but I’ve always wondered what they do when no one notices? Some things tend to be so niche and not every author has millions of fans to do Taylor Swift-esque hunting. I’ve always known if I were to write a book I’d make a list of all the hidden secrets I put in it, so people can see the hard work. What are your thoughts? Would you want everyone to know? Or would you let the readers figure it out, even if it means nobody ever does? And what books/pieces of art,music,film etc have you seen ‘Easter eggs’ in. I’m a sucker for ‘crossover episodes’ in books, like Jacks in Caraval or the callbacks in Steven King.
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This post is sort of.. twofold!! Forgive me if this has been discussed before, but I haven't seen this pop up recently so I hope it's fine.
I'm wondering if anyone has ever picked up a book from a used book store and then been unable to find the next book in the series, or even another copy of the same book? Or, unable to find the other books by the author? If so, what book was it, what's your story about that?!
The next question is... how do you find obscure books? Thriftbooks was a bust... ebay has suuuper expensive shipping... do i just hope and send good vibes and manifest the book appearing?
So let me explain my story. I love used book stores and when we go camping/on roadtrips my family likes to stop at any we find on the way. Well I found my favourite... a mass market paperback fantasy from the 80s. It was called Songs from the Seashell Archives (banger title) and it was the first volume (if you follow me you might've seen me update a review) hehe. I love it. It's not the greatest book of all time but it was the perfect book to read in the summer. Well I wanted volume 2 and i'm like well i'm not gonna find this book anywhere, not the volumes (they combined books 1-2, etc). I ordered it on thriftbooks... just to get a 🤷🏻♀️ heres your money back bc we don't have that book On ebay its being sold for like... $8 which is fine except the shipping is +$20!!! I'm kind of getting obsessed now so I checked thriftbooks again and it's listed. So friends.... should I try to order on thriftbooks again? Should i let it be and search for this book in used book stores for the rest of my life?
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How do you guys cope with adding a 4.5+ star rating book to your dnf shelf, a book that you ONLY heard good things about?
I had to dnf six of crows last month because I was not enjoying it at all and it is still bothering me a lot. It makes me sad whenever I see the pink DNF highlight over it. I just feel like I’m missing out on so much, but at the same time I know that I cannot force myself to like a story that I did not like.
I don’t know if I should give it another go? but then that would be forcing myself to read it just because I can’t accept the fact that I’m like.. a part of the 0.5% that didn’t like the story 😩
How do you guys deal with this?? 🥲