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This is a great introduction as far as setting the tone of the book, and I feel like this line here really covers one of the essential points being made:
"we consider death rituals savage only when they don't match our own."
I know in part this is absolutely a Christian/Western/Eurocentric sense of superiority at play, but I do think it's also very human to fear what we do not understand, and to push the discomfort away rather than step into it. I really love that to make her point Doughty isn't just prompting the reader (that very possibly falls into these categories) to consider their immediate judgement of these other cultures' death rituals, but to actually see their own through another's eyes.
"How were the Wendats expected to believe the French Catholics had noble aims, when they freely admitted to cannibalism, bragging that they consumed flesh and blood (of their own God no less) in a practice called Communion?"
Like, what a great way to showcase that once you strip cultural context and familiarity, anything can be framed in a pretty "savage" way. We control how open we are to understanding and accepting.
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"In the 21st century, removing money -- and profit -- from death is almost unheard of, mostly because it's so difficult to accomplish."
"...but mom had told me, 'This is what I've chosen for my body..."
oh i totally f*ck with this
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This is a great introduction as far as setting the tone of the book, and I feel like this line here really covers one of the essential points being made:
"we consider death rituals savage only when they don't match our own."
I know in part this is absolutely a Christian/Western/Eurocentric sense of superiority at play, but I do think it's also very human to fear what we do not understand, and to push the discomfort away rather than step into it. I really love that to make her point Doughty isn't just prompting the reader (that very possibly falls into these categories) to consider their immediate judgement of these other cultures' death rituals, but to actually see their own through another's eyes.
"How were the Wendats expected to believe the French Catholics had noble aims, when they freely admitted to cannibalism, bragging that they consumed flesh and blood (of their own God no less) in a practice called Communion?"
Like, what a great way to showcase that once you strip cultural context and familiarity, anything can be framed in a pretty "savage" way. We control how open we are to understanding and accepting.
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"I'm sure Brébeuf was moved by the death rituals of the Wendat people. But it did not change his final, fervent hope: that all of their customs and ceremonies would be obliterated and replaced with Christian ceremonies, so they could be 'sacred' as opposed to 'foolish and useless.'"
I'm already hit hard and it's just the introduction. When Brébeuf was described as being in admiration and moved at how much care Wendat families treated their deceased I was hoping he would not go the "but our way is better" route. Of course he did though, of course he did...
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From Here to Eternity: Traveling the World to Find the Good Death
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Palimpsest
Catherynne M. Valente
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Okay looks like this is my hear me out book... So please walk with me here and hear me out. You'll need that kind of patience anyway if you're going to read this book.
To get it out of the way first because I know you saw the cover and maybe read the blurb: yes, this book is a portal fantasy about a sexually transmitted city. Accordingly, this book contains a lot of sex. However, the sex in this book is NOT sexy. The branding suggests that it will be, you would expect it to be, but it is not (and that is the point), and I do think that's helpful to know going into it. If you are looking for a steamy smutty saucy book, this is not it. If you are interested in thinking about sex not just as a corporeal but as a cerebral act, and you are comfortable getting extremely uncomfortable with highly intentional portrayals of taboo and addiction and even murky consent, absolutely keep reading.
Now, that said, the book description does purport the book to be a "lyrically erotic spell of a place where the grotesque and the beautiful reside," and with that I cannot disagree. Even before saying anything about the structure of the book or characters, let me try to throw some more words at you full of contradictions that attempt to capture the atmosphere of this book and its themes and yet surely fall short. Erotic and grotesque and beautiful, yes. Whimsical and industrial. Full of devotion and torment. Quicksand and tar and freedom. Desperation. Things terrible and devastating. Lush, cloying. Fanatical. Expansive. It is offensive, abrasive, challenging, unpalatable. It's also wonderous, beautiful, fantastical, unbelievable. Gripping. A fever dream. Parasitic. A bloody sacrificial thing. Haunting. Hopeful. Visceral, but spiritual as well. A biblically accurate angel. Not dystopia or utopia but heaven and hell and purgatory. Alive. Catching. Reverent. Obsessive. Damnation and absolution. It festers. A book that is all dissonance and likely not for well adjusted healthy people. You might find rainbows and butterflies and it will cost you.
Still on board? Intrigued? Then let me get more specific as I sing Valente's praises. The premise is fascinating and bold, obviously. The narrative voice was one of the most interesting I've read in a long, long time. The characters were so distinct and strange (positive) and I managed to get pretty deeply attached to most of them without seeing it coming. The multiculturalism I felt was done really well, and while I can't find confirmation, the main characters seem very autistic-coded too, in a highly nuanced way. Queerness is implicit. The way the POVs were interwoven was also so ambitious and I'd say shockingly successful. There were some intense religious and political themes which totally snuck up on me, and I was really pleased with how this book folded in that commentary and sort of pulled the reader to that unexpected place, with so many turns that leave you in the same place you started but with a completely different view. I think in many ways, the reader becomes a character too. The writing is absolutely gorgeous; if you hate purple prose you will despise this book, but if you love it grab a highlighter and a dictionary while you're at it because I think Valente was a thesaurus in a past life. There is a LOT of dark and triggering content (self harm, suicide, incest, violence, body horror, addiction, fatphobia, ableism, and I'm sure others) so please be aware and look into that first if you need to.
All that said, if you read all this and are interested in being taken to this world on the other side of sleep which drives people to madness, buckle up and maybe I'll see you there.