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I'm curious how much importance readers here put on an author's unique style or voice.
This came to mind while thinking over a lot of the writing advice I've seen in writer and author spaces online. Much of it is good advice, when given and taken judiciously, however much of it is also set out as prescriptive, without regard to an author's style or voice. You see it most often in things like "show don't tell" (just thrown out there, with no thought behind it) or exhortations toward the leanest possible prose, admonitions against purple prose (without understanding what it is), and so on.
I think the general effect of such advice is to try to move prose toward the most generic, commercial quality possible, and I think newer or starting authors are more likely to be influenced by the advice.
For sure, that type of prose works well for certain books--thrillers, for example, often benefit from prose that is more generic and kind of fades into the background as a vehicle for delivery the action of the plot. I also enjoy many books written in that lean, commercial manner. However, what makes many books such fun to read and such wonderful works of art are the idiosyncracies of style brought by the author, the word play, sentence and story structure, experimentation, or what have you, that makes the writing itself part of the art rather than the mere method for imparting the story's action.
Anyway, the most popular new works that I've read tend toward a more generic style, which I guess makes sense on some level. But I'm curious as to whether that is what most people here like to read.
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City Like Water
Dorothy Tse
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Just for the cameras flamingo badge.
(Sorry y'all, but I do not want to spend any more mental energy on this book.)
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This book is the definition of literary whiplash, and while I enjoyed one main plot, I was not ready for or happy with the other.
We start out with a lighthearted whirlwind lust/early romance between the MCs. We're set in what might as well be a fantasy world, where random foreign princes show up at a school and immediately become infatuated with and ask out a person working there that they met for 30 seconds. Everything you might expect from a contemporary royal romance is present: a fancy estate with staff, pretty ballgowns, a handsome, charming prince. Great, what a fun escapist romance! The sex scenes are pretty spicy, but we do get a scene of establishing enthusiastic consent (maybe a bit late?), which I appreciated. The FMC is a fish out of water, not only because she's a regular person, but because of her actual physical body - she's a tall, curvy Black woman thrust into a world with tiny blondes. I loved how much the MMC is into her from the jump! I didn't always love her as a character (there's one questionable writing decision about her in particular early on that just left me 🤨 the whole time), but that's fine.
All that sounds just as expected - lighthearted, escapist, silly at times. Cool!
But a bit over halfway through the book, we're suddenly thrown into actual serious issues, and we never really come out of it. Please seek out trigger warnings for this one, because we find ourselves in a story about serious child abuse/domestic violence, and the MCs need to figure out how to keep people safe. This wasn't at all what I was expecting here, and frankly it felt like a completely different story from that point on. I'm not against real issues being present in contemporary romance - I actually think it can make it more interesting - but aside from a couple of hints early on that make it seem like the DV is in the past, the severity of this situation comes out of nowhere. I expected the "healthy dose of angst" mentioned in the blurb to be about the MCs' relationship, not a completely different thing going on elsewhere.
I enjoyed the beginning a lot more than I expected to, but the last third really lost me after the first half's vibes.
StJust commented on a post from the Pagebound Club forum
So as says on the tin lid, where do you draw the line on historical accuracy.
Potential spoilers to anyone saving the Odyssey as there current read or future read
I rarely engage in book discussion outside of here and my irl book club, however, I found myself making a rare comment under a post of The Odyssey (film coming out). The creator was making a point about the women of the odyssey, how Odysseus (and Telamacus) at the end treats the female slaves callously (to put it mildly) at the end but is removed (iykyk). This is a a point explored in Emily Wilson’s translation, to question the “heroics” of a male pov - which I believe Christopher Nolan used as a reference point but seems to have failed to deliver on. (Will disclaim I haven’t seen as of yet)
I commented referencing the book Sweetbitter Song by Rosie Hewlett (part of the Queer All Year Quest, a sapphic Ithica retelling) and how, for me, my main take away from this book was the hidden histories outside of the grand male figures we have been told. Sweetbitter song does a fantastic job at suggesting that all these big moments for the men were in fact created (or set intentionally in motion) by the characters that were actually on the side or even on the fringes of the original tale. I didn’t necessarily comment on the content of the book it self just that it got me thinking of hidden histories.
Queue another tiktok user instantly slating the fact I’d read it and how they, having also read it (hmm 😒), thought it terrible and glorifying the relationship of a slave girl and a senior woman of power. How Melantho (the girl) was aged up to make it work.
Now whilst I understand the toxic nature the user is implying, I also think that kind of complaint comes from a modern lens and lacks the nuance. I think when shut down like this, conversations about the topics in such books as Sweetbitter Song are often held to a higher standard of “not being factually correct” despite it being based on myth as well?
There are an abundance of other things wrong with the book if you start picking apart the actual historical accuracy. I would argue it applies to most historical fiction.
So I’ve returned to the Boundlings - I would argue a good historical fiction is where you forget about the facts and the author has known where to add detail saccurate of the time (and story if a retelling). But then also know where to fluff/skew dependant on their POV without compromising the original source material.
Where do you stand on historical facts on historical fiction? Does it throw you out if not mostly correct? Can you separate a topic you obsess over (like me and Greek myths) and the fictional work you’re reading for the sake of the plot?
Edit: aware history and myths are different - the other user on TikTok was trying to my to argue the historical accuracy of the supposed myth, which for me are separate and myths (for me) especially have more wiggle room in retellings but I was curious as to others thoughts.
Also thankyou ve try much to everyone’s response, its really nice to see people responding with really thought out responses - the consensus being do your research 😄
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The Empress of Salt and Fortune
Nghi Vo
Post from the The Empress of Salt and Fortune (The Singing Hills Cycle, #1) forum
The first name that his mother gave him was after the fashion of their people, designed to make him invisible in the eyes of malevolent spirits. It was Bucket…
Since the author is Vietnamese-American, I thought this tidbit might be relevant: there’s still a superstition in Vietnamese culture that if you say the name of an unborn child or small infant out loud, evil spirits will hear it, identity and target the baby. So they refer to them as innocuous household objects a lot of the time.
I remember when my Vietnamese sister-in-law was pregnant, she would call the baby something very similar (I think Mop) when talking with her parents, and her mom would chide her if she slipped up and used the name 😂
It sounds to me like Sukai is supposed to be from a culture similar to Vietnam’s, especially since he’s described as being from south of where they are!
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Turning and turning in the widening gyre
The falcon cannot hear the falconer; Things fall apart; the centre cannot hold; Mere anarchy is loosed upon the world
I'm SO glad I decided to revisit this book as an adult! To anyone who read it in school and is a fellow old, I highly recommend a reread. It holds up much better than a lot of mid 20th century classics, especially those written by men.
The first time around, I mostly remember focusing on the colonization and religious conversion end sections, but this time around what struck me most was 1) the pure tragedy and hubris of Okonkwo's character and 2) the really fascinating study of gender and gender roles, particularly as seen by Okonkwo.
I feel like the first point is probably why some people aren't as enthused about this book. Okonkwo is like a figure in a Greek tragedy: he sets himself up for failure through his single-minded pursuit of a life that he decrees is the best way to live, and is blinded by that vision and his own confidence that he's right. Even up until the end, he never really gets that he is one of the fundamental problems, and that could be frustrating as a reader. When his views are challenged, when he should be forced to reconsider his ways, he stays rigid and therefore must fall apart eventually, unable to withstand the forces both within and outside his community. The center cannot hold
As to the exploration of gender - wow, there was a lot to think about here. Okonkwo has extremely essentialist views on gender roles and what it means to "be a man", and anything else automatically means that someone is like a woman. But what's striking is how Achebe is able to demonstrate how wrong that view is without outright condemning the traditional cultural practices. Okonkwo's father and his son don't live up to his gendered expectations, and to him that means they're weak failures who should be disowned. But then he's faced with a lot of nuance, even from within his community: two of the elders he seeks advice from emphasize why Okonkwo's views are wrong, but he willfully disregards their thoughts, inviting tragedy for himself and his family. When he's challenged to think about why in some ways a mother's role is "supreme", he simply doubles down on his toxic masculinity; when he's shown that his knee-jerk "manly" reaction to outsiders isn't the most effective, he triples down. He can't face any challenges to his beliefs - they shake him to his core and enrage him, causing him to lash out. The center cannot hold
And eventually, with the coming of the missionaries and the British government, the lack of community unity, reflected in Okonkwo's stubbornness - and some of the ancient practices that Achebe clearly condemns - allows the colonizers to take advantage. People who felt like outsiders, rejected or isolated by the traditional practices, take to the new system that they feel empowers them more. "Now [the colonizer] has won our brothers, and our clan can no longer act like one. He has put a knife on the things that held us together and we have fallen apart." The center cannot hold
It's an incredibly nuanced view of a community struggling with itself, and how its own rigidity (reflected in Okonkwo as a character) allows outsiders to exploit those cracks and create an even bigger disaster. Achebe doesn't place the blame solely on the colonizers: he does an incredible job of showing how all these little issues become bigger and bigger (the widening gyre), eventually allowing in a much greater evil than the community could have anticipated.
This is a book I think everyone should read at some point. It's a quick and easy read, the writing is straightforward but compelling, by turns funny, enlightening, and terribly sad. Truly one of my favorite mid-20th century works!